I sort of got discouraged on days 2 and 3, where I didn't find much that was edifying. But day 4 had a couple interesting things.One was a question I have about "Eden has been trampled, torched, and savaged." I have thought Eden was doing okay.  I guess maybe if the whole earth is considered Eden, then his statement could be true.

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. -- Genesis 3:23-24

Later he speaks of desiring God, and I think this might be what Linda was talking about simple pleasures pointing you towards God.

Consider this analogy: When you're sick and your friend brings you a meal, what meets your needs -- the meal or the friend?   Both.  Without your friend, there would be no meal; but even without the meal, you would still treasure your friendship. ; Thus, your friend is both your higher pleasure and the source of your secondary pleasure (the meal).  Likewise, God is the source of all lesser goods, so that when they satisfy us, it is God himself who is satisfying us.

Perhaps you're thinking, But our eyes should be on the giver, not the gift and, thus, We ought to focus on God, not on Heaven. [... This] fails to recognize that because God is the ultimate source of joy, and all secondary joys derive from him, to love secondary joys on this earth can be -- and in Heaven always will be -- to love God, their source. [italics are the author's, bolded text is mine]

I think some would underemphasize the "can be" part of loving secondary joys, and would immerse themselves in secondary joys without really considering what should be their primary joy.  I am reminded of Mark Prater preaching a sermon on "Eating for the Glory of God", where he spoke of enjoyig God's pleasure and gifts to us as we eat.

(and I am sure he mentioned drinking Starbucks coffee as well -- something he might say I would have to grow in enjoying God -- though Jonathan proudly exclaims that he "sometimes drinks coffee&", and parents look at me in astonishment, particularly if they know us at all, but I suppose that means they only know us a little, rather than knowing that we would generally allow our children to do lots of things.  Jonathan had probably a 1/4 teaspoon the other day at our church's coffeehouse.  He winced at the first sip, proclaimed that he liked it, but didn't really drink any more after that.  He, like me, probably likes the smell more than the taste)

I am also reminded of a song, I Will Not Forget You, and the line, "Many men will drink the rain and turn to thank the clouds".

Posted by Jon Daley on November 14, 2006, 5:15 am | Read 4152 times
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Yes, I think he captures the point pretty well. So Does C. S. Lewis (The Screwtape Letters, so be aware of the point of view of the "writer" here): Never forget that when we are dealing with any pleasure in its healthy and normal and satisfying form, we are, in a sense, on the Enemy's ground. I know we have won many a soul through pleasure. All the same, it is His invention, not ours. He made the pleasures: all our research so far has not enabled us to produce one. All we can do is to encourage the humans to take the pleasures which our Enemy has produced, at times, or in ways, or in degrees, which He has forbidden. Hence we always try to work away from the natural condition of any pleasure to that in which it is least natural, least redolent of its Maker, and least pleasurable.
Posted by SursumCorda on November 14, 2006, 11:15 am

Yes, that is one of the few lines I remember from The Screwtape Letters. I suppose it has been a year or so since I read it, I probably should read it again.
Posted by Jon Daley on November 14, 2006, 11:17 am

This seems to fit into the "Christian Hedonist" worldview that I have heard of (but never studied).
Posted by Laedelas on November 14, 2006, 11:01 pm
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